At the age of five, Sean Schenker enrolled into Kyokushin Karate and eventually found the spirit that the training instilled in its practitioners. That spirit stayed with him when he changed career paths, jumping into music full-time and leading a band. In 2011, Schenker opened his Fighting Spirit Karate across the way from where he originally started karate training. Today, Schenker took some time to talk about that spirit found in Kyokushin Karate training, becoming Chairman of the Board for the United States Kyokushin Organization – IFKK in 2020, and the future of Kyokushin Karate. All images provided by Sean Schenker.
Martial Arts of Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow: Hello and welcome Schenker Sensei! Thank you for joining us to talk about Kyokushin Karate!
Sean Schenker: It is great to be here; thank you for having me.
MAYTT: After starting at the age of five, what continues to motivate you to train Kyokushin karate today?
SS: I think the main connection for me is spiritual, just spiritually. There was something about that system which I discovered very young that just stuck with me. It’s hard to even put a finger on it and to really qualify it. I feel like I can’t fully articulate it, but there’s just something about the essence of the spirit in hard training, sweat, and putting it all out on the mat that felt right then and continues to feel right.
MAYTT: How would you describe that spirit to somebody else if you were trying to sell them on Kyokushin Karate?
SS: Over the years, several teachers have expressed to me certain ideas that resonate deeply. One of them revolves around the limitations we perceive as human beings, whether in our daily lives or on the mat. When we’re training intensely, I often hear the phrase “no ceiling,” emphasizing the rejection of self-imposed limits. The system itself encourages this forward momentum, evident in our kata performance, kumite, and overall training approach. For me, these aspects mirror life experiences; they reflect the challenge of overcoming obstacles and pushing past perceived boundaries.
In life, we encounter moments where we feel stuck, where progress seems elusive. It’s during these times that we must summon the determination to break through. Having a supportive community, including teachers, peers, or training partners, is invaluable in this process. They provide encouragement and push us to reach new heights. The essence of my journey lies in delving deep into the realms of personal, physical, and spiritual growth.
When I reach what seems like a limit, whether physical or mental, there’s always someone or something that helps me break through. Whether it’s a teacher offering guidance, comrades offering support, or simply the energy of a class pushing me forward, there’s always a pathway to the next level. And even when I reach a new plateau, I’ve come to understand that there’s always more beyond it. This continuous cycle of growth and support has defined my martial arts experience.
MAYTT: That spirit goes hand in hand with the training. When you were going through the ranks, how would you describe the training you experienced?
SS: Reflecting on my journey, it’s important to understand the historical context. I began my martial arts training in New Paltz, NY, during a time when options were limited. My father introduced me to the dojo, although my initial experiences were challenging – I recall sitting through classes in tears. However, I persevered, and soon, I found myself immersed in the world of Kyokushin Karate, a martial art at its zenith during the late 1970s and early 1980s.
I was fortunate to train under Sensei Frank Clark, a respected figure in the Kyokushin lineage. Sensei Clark’s prominence was underscored by his sixth-place finish in the first World Kyokushin Karate Tournament, immortalized in the documentary “The Fighting Black Kings.” Under his guidance, I underwent rigorous training, often alongside adults, as there were no separate classes for children. This environment, though demanding, resonated with me deeply, fueling my passion for the art.
As I progressed through the ranks, I transitioned from Kyokushin to World Oyama Karate under Shigeru Oyama, later Soshu, before eventually affiliating with the International Federation of Karate (IFK) under Hanshi Steve Arneil. Both instructors, deeply rooted in Mas Oyama’s teachings, offered distinct perspectives on the art. While my early training emphasized spiritual connection, later instruction focused on technical refinement.
Looking back, I recognize the arduous nature of my training journey. By the time I reached my late teens and pursued my black belt, many of my peers from the early days had fallen by the wayside. Despite the challenges, my martial arts path has been defined by resilience, unwavering dedication, and the guidance of esteemed mentors, shaping not just my skills but also my character.
MAYTT: I understand. Sometimes you look around and don’t see half the people you started with.
SS: The martial arts journey is indeed a lengthy one, extending far beyond the confines of a training facility. For individuals like yourself and others deeply invested in their chosen system, martial arts become more than a mere hobby – it becomes a way of life. Along this path, it’s common to find that few companions from the early days remain by your side. However, this is not a solitary journey; rather, it’s a shared experience among practitioners.
Many of us who embark on this journey understand that it’s meant to evolve and change us over time. As we commit ourselves to the discipline and principles of our chosen art, we inevitably grow and transform along with it. While the faces alongside us may change, the bonds formed within the martial arts community endure, providing support and camaraderie as we navigate the challenges and joys of this lifelong pursuit.
Ultimately, martial arts transcend the confines of a mere physical practice; it permeates every aspect of our being, shaping our values, mindset, and approach to life. In this way, we become part of a broader community, united by our shared dedication to self-improvement and the pursuit of mastery. Though the journey may be long and solitary at times, we find solace and strength in the knowledge that we are not alone, but rather, part of a timeless tradition that spans generations.
MAYTT: How have you seen Kyokushin Karate training change and evolve since you first began?
SS: In the beginning, my training followed a traditional, old-school approach characterized by intense and rigorous methods reminiscent of scenes from a movie—think punching trees and tough physical conditioning. The focus was on honing the three pillars of martial arts: kihon (basics), kata (forms), and kumite (sparring). Under the guidance of Sensei Frank Clark and later Shigeru Oyama, the emphasis shifted towards a more combative mindset, prioritizing fighting techniques and strategies.
As I progressed in my martial arts journey, particularly during my early stages under Shigeru Oyama, the training regimen leaned heavily towards fighting skills. This focus was reflected in alterations to traditional forms and techniques to align with a more practical, tournament-oriented approach to kumite. However, as my journey continued under the International Federation of Karate (IFK) and Hanshi Arneil, a deeper appreciation for the artistry and subtleties of karate began to emerge.
Training under Hanshi Arneil afforded me a broader perspective on the beauty and intricacy of karate beyond its practical applications in combat. There was a newfound emphasis on the nuances of katas, the intricacies of techniques, and the underlying philosophy of the art. This shift provided a more profound understanding of the art’s depth and richness, enhancing my overall martial arts experience.
This evolution in training methodologies reflects the natural progression and interpretation of martial arts as it is passed down through generations. Each instructor brings their unique perspective, shaping the art according to their experiences and insights. Neither approach is inherently superior; rather, they offer different facets of the same discipline. Transitioning to a more holistic understanding of karate under Hanshi Arneil has been invigorating, particularly as I navigate the physical challenges of aging.
As I celebrate my fiftieth birthday, I’ve come to appreciate the importance of longevity in martial arts practice. While I may not be as physically resilient as I once was, my deeper understanding of karate’s principles and techniques allows me to continue my journey with enthusiasm and dedication. The art has become not just a means of self-defense or combat but a lifelong pursuit of self-discovery and personal growth.
MAYTT: I see. Moving forward a bit chronologically, after finishing high school, you took a leave of absence from karate to pursue your musical career. In what ways did your karate training and experiences prepare you for that career?
SS: Your question really hits home for me. Back when I was deeply involved in martial arts, I wouldn’t have known how to answer it, but now, in retrospect, I can see how my martial arts training has influenced other aspects of my life, particularly in music. I’ve always been a musician, continuing to write, play, and release records even now.
One key aspect that martial arts instilled in me is confidence and comfort in front of an audience. Whether it was as a young kid at promotion tests or tournaments, or later on teaching classes by the age of twelve or thirteen, I was accustomed to being in front of people and performing. This ease translated seamlessly into my music performances, allowing me to be confident and comfortable onstage.
After high school, I attended SUNY Geneseo as a theater major, where I met a band that eventually took me down South. Around the age of twenty or twenty-one, we dove headfirst into the music scene, particularly in Athens, GA. The discipline and work ethic I learned from martial arts became invaluable during this time. We worked tirelessly, from marketing and rehearsing to promoting our band in a highly competitive industry.
The parallels between martial arts training and our approach to the band were striking. Just as in martial arts, we knew that if we wanted results, we had to put in the effort, sweat, and dedication. Our strong work ethic set us apart in a crowded field, helping us gain traction and recognition. Despite my lack of experience, I even took on the role of managing the band, a testament to the leadership skills and work ethic instilled in me through martial arts.
In essence, martial arts taught me the importance of showing up consistently and putting in the hard work, qualities that proved invaluable as we navigated the challenges of the music industry. While success in both fields required talent, it was the discipline and dedication honed through martial arts that truly set us apart and paved the way for our achievements.
MAYTT: That is really amazing to jump into something you know nothing about, but you had this training and discipline from beforehand that helped you out.
SS: I feel incredibly fortunate for the trajectory my life has taken. When I reflect on my journey, I remember my late father’s skepticism when I left school at twenty-one to pursue music. He, like many, anticipated it was just a phase I would outgrow within a year. Yet here I am at fifty, still deeply immersed in music and running a martial arts school.
In many ways, I credit the lessons learned from martial arts for shaping the course of my life. It instilled in me a sense of confidence and determination that has guided my decisions and pursuits. Despite initial doubts from others, I held onto the belief that with hard work and dedication, anything was achievable.
This mindset has been pivotal in building my career, nurturing my family life, and pursuing my passions. It’s not merely about talent or luck, but about the willingness to put in the effort and go the extra mile. I’ve been fortunate to have unwavering support from my wife and loved ones, but at the core of it all lies the foundation laid by martial arts.
The ethos of martial arts – that success is earned through perseverance and diligence – continues to resonate with me. It’s a reminder that with dedication and a strong work ethic, one can overcome obstacles and achieve their goals. My journey serves as a testament to the power of passion, persistence, and the invaluable lessons learned on the dojo floor.
MAYTT: You mentioned that you began teaching at twelve. What was that experience like for you and in what ways did that?
SS: Firstly, I want to acknowledge and give credit to those who paved the way for me in my martial arts journey. My early years in martial arts were under the guidance of Sensei Frank Clark and later Mike Skinner. Sensei Skinner, in particular, entrusted me with teaching sections of classes, both for adults and children, when I was around twelve or thirteen years old. While I felt nervous about this responsibility, it was also a validating experience to be singled out and entrusted with such a task by teachers I deeply respected.
Reflecting on these experiences, I realize the profound impact they had on shaping my understanding of responsibility and trust. Martial arts instilled in me a sense of seriousness and dedication to the craft. It was not merely a place for casual training but a space where hard work and commitment were expected and valued. This ethos of discipline and dedication laid the foundation for my future endeavors.
As I transitioned into teaching and running my own martial arts school, I came to appreciate the immense responsibility that comes with guiding students on their martial arts journey. It’s not just about imparting technical skills but also nurturing trust and fostering growth, both physically and spiritually. This realization has profoundly influenced how I approach teaching and mentoring my students.
The trust placed in me by my teachers at a young age taught me the importance of upholding that trust in my own role as an instructor. Whether it’s guiding students through rigorous training or helping them navigate the complexities of martial arts, I understand the weight of responsibility that comes with the role. It’s about more than just teaching techniques; it’s about instilling values, fostering discipline, and nurturing a sense of community within the dojo.
In essence, my experiences as a young teacher in martial arts laid the groundwork for the principles that guide me today. It’s about recognizing the significance of the trust placed in me and striving to honor that trust by providing guidance, support, and mentorship to my students. Through martial arts, I’ve learned the importance of responsibility, trust, and the profound impact they have on shaping both individual journeys and the broader martial arts community.
In martial arts, there were certainly moments of making mistakes and facing consequences, whether it was a stern reprimand from a teacher or being singled out for not performing a technique correctly. However, these experiences were not solely about punishment; they were an integral part of the learning process. It was understood that making mistakes was a natural part of the journey towards mastery.
More often than not, the approach was about guidance and correction rather than punitive measures. Teachers provided opportunities for students to explore and share their understanding of the art, fostering a supportive learning environment. This approach, rooted in trust and mentorship, allowed students to grow and develop their skills organically.
As a teacher myself, I’ve come to realize that this approach is universal across martial arts systems. It’s about recognizing the inherent value in allowing students to make mistakes and learn from them. Through guidance and support, students are empowered to navigate their own martial arts journey, building not only technical proficiency but also resilience and self-awareness.
Ultimately, martial arts are as much about the process of learning and growth as it is about mastering techniques. By embracing the inevitability of mistakes and viewing them as opportunities for improvement, students are able to progress along their martial arts path with confidence and determination. This philosophy of learning through experience and guidance is a cornerstone of martial arts education, transcending specific styles or systems.
MAYTT: This ties into the next question; when did you establish your Fighting Spirit Karate and what factors influenced you to open your own school?
SS: The dojo officially opened its doors in 2011, initially located in New Paltz, a town about fifteen minutes away from the current space in Gardner. Prior to securing a dedicated dojo space, I had been teaching martial arts in various yoga studios, gradually building a base of students. However, it wasn’t until the opportunity to establish a dojo space presented itself that I took the leap.
The decision to open the dojo was influenced by several factors, including personal and professional considerations. At the time, my wife, who worked as a school social worker, had been laid off, adding financial strain to our situation. As a musician, I was seeking a more sustainable path that aligned with my passions and creative instincts. Previous attempts at conventional employment, such as working for a nonprofit in New York City, had left me feeling unfulfilled.
My journey into teaching provided valuable insights into my calling, despite initially pursuing teaching fellowships and working in underserved schools. It became clear that my true calling lay in martial arts instruction, rather than traditional classroom settings. Upon returning to upstate New York, the opportunity to open a dojo in my hometown of New Paltz felt like a serendipitous moment, aligning with my childhood roots and passion for martial arts.
Opening the dojo in a space so close to where I had spent my formative years training felt like a full-circle moment. It was a chance to create a space where others could embark on their own martial arts journey, just as I had done years earlier. The dojo became not just a place of physical training but also a community hub, embodying the values of discipline, respect, and personal growth that are central to martial arts practice.
In essence, the decision to open the dojo was a culmination of personal passion, professional aspirations, and a desire to create a positive impact within the local community. It represented a significant milestone in my martial arts journey, marking the beginning of a new chapter dedicated to sharing the transformative power of martial arts with others.
MAYTT: The fact that you started your own place where you first started karate, that is almost poetic.
SS: The initial dojo space in New Paltz, while nostalgic and significant for its proximity to my childhood training grounds, soon proved too small to accommodate the growing student base. With just 1000 square feet, including parent areas and bathrooms, the actual training space was limited to around 650 square feet. Despite its size constraints, the dojo quickly became a hub for martial arts enthusiasts from the community and beyond.
The rapid growth of the student base necessitated a move to a larger facility, prompting the transition to the current location in Gardner. Although the exact year of the move escapes my memory, it’s been approximately six or seven years since we relocated. The new facility offered more space and amenities, allowing for expanded training programs and enhanced student experiences.
The decision to move to a larger facility was driven by the need to accommodate the increasing demand for martial arts instruction in the community. It was a strategic move to ensure that the dojo could continue to grow and serve its members effectively. Despite the challenges of relocating, the transition to the new facility marked a significant milestone in the dojo’s evolution, enabling it to thrive and expand its offerings.
Since settling into the new location, the dojo has continued to flourish, fostering a vibrant community of martial artists dedicated to personal growth and development. The larger space has provided opportunities for expanded training programs and enhanced facilities, further enriching the student experience. Looking back, the decision to move was instrumental in propelling the dojo forward, ensuring its continued success and impact within the local community.
MAYTT: To grow from one space and transition into a larger space and not have any issue is great.
SS: Absolutely, martial arts have been a true blessing, not only for me personally but also in terms of running a business. Despite the inherent challenges that come with managing a martial arts school, especially during uncertain times like the pandemic, I consider myself incredibly fortunate. I’ve witnessed dear friends who have been involved in martial arts longer than I have struggled to keep their dojos afloat, and some unfortunately didn’t survive.
Every day, I’m filled with gratitude for the resilience of our dojo and the support of our community. It’s a constant reminder of the importance of adaptability, perseverance, and the unwavering dedication of our students and instructors. Martial arts aren’t just about physical training; it’s about cultivating a mindset of resilience and determination that extends beyond the dojo walls.
In times of adversity, our martial arts community has come together like never before, demonstrating the true spirit of solidarity and support. It’s a testament to the transformative power of martial arts and the invaluable bonds forged within our dojo family. As we continue to navigate the challenges ahead, I remain optimistic about the future and deeply grateful for the opportunity to share the journey with such an incredible community.
MAYTT: To you, what makes Kyokushin Karate unique or different from other styles of karate? In what ways is Kyokushin Karate similar to other styles of karate?
SS: I’ve been fortunate to train in various martial arts over the past forty years or so, but Kyokushin Karate has been the most enduring. Through seminars and training with numerous teachers, I’ve gained a broad perspective on different systems. Regardless of the style, I believe that martial arts training offers valuable benefits to practitioners. It’s not about comparing systems; each has its strengths and beautiful aspects.
Kyokushin Karate, in particular, emphasizes practicality and real-world application. While other systems may delve deeply into theory and concepts, Kyokushin stands out for its hands-on approach. There’s a strong focus on physical conditioning and full-contact sparring, which prepares practitioners to both deliver and endure powerful strikes in actual combat situations.
As I’ve matured, I’ve come to appreciate the importance of practical training. Kyokushin Karate provides a modern perspective, emphasizing the necessity of experiencing and testing techniques in real-time. Theory is essential, but without practical application, it remains theoretical. Kyokushin’s emphasis on “fire testing” ensures that techniques are effective when they matter most.
However, like any system, Kyokushin Karate has its limitations. For instance, it doesn’t include punches to the face, focusing instead on kicks and body shots. Recognizing this deficiency, I’ve supplemented my training with boxing to develop skills like head movement and defense against face punches, which are vital in self-defense scenarios.
Despite my deep connection to Kyokushin Karate, I remain open to learning from other martial arts. I enjoy attending seminars and exploring different systems, enriching my martial arts journey. Ultimately, my foundation in Kyokushin provides me with a solid base from which to evaluate and integrate new concepts and techniques.
MAYTT: In 2020, you became the United States of America-International Federation of Karate (USA-IFK) Chairman of the Board, where one of your responsibilities is “growing and developing the Next Generation.” What were your initial feelings on obtaining this position?
SS: I felt humbled and floored when the opportunity to join the International Federation of Karate (IFK) arose. Having been mentored by Shihan Monaco, the President of the IFK, and having deep relationships with him, I saw it as the next logical step in my journey. Under Hanchi Arneil’s guidance, I had gained a comprehensive understanding of Kyokushin Karate, far beyond what I had as a younger practitioner.
Joining the IFK was a significant decision, accompanied by nerves and uncertainties. While I had a successful business, integrating into a larger organization came with its challenges and considerations. I needed to ensure that it aligned with the needs of my students and the vision I had for my dojo. However, I recognized the vast reach and opportunities that the IFK offered, far beyond what I could achieve independently.
Despite the apprehension, I believed in Hanchi Arneil’s teaching and the values of the IFK. The organization’s international scope and resources promised to enhance my ability to serve my students and contribute to the broader Kyokushin community. Looking back, I still see it as a decision that makes sense and aligns with my goals and values.
MAYTT: How do you and the Board plan on growing and developing the next generation of Kyokushin karateka?
SS: Credit must be given to my teacher, Shihan Monaco, who has dedicated over sixty years to Kyokushin Karate. He began his journey with Mas Oyama and continued under Hanshi Arneil for the last twenty to thirty years. Throughout his extensive experience, he gained valuable insights into organizational dynamics, which have profoundly influenced our approach within the International Federation of Karate (IFK).
Traditionally, our organization relied heavily on singular central figures to uphold its legacy. However, as we transition into a new generational era, we recognize the challenges of placing the entire burden on one individual. In response, we have established the USA-IFK Strategy Team, mirroring the structure of the IFK internationally. This team, led by myself as chairman, consists of various members responsible for different aspects of our organization, such as officiating, judging, and black belt committees.
Our decision-making process is collaborative, with major decisions requiring the consensus of trusted individuals who have been involved for an extended period. Whether it’s welcoming a new dojo, organizing tournaments, or hosting seminars, every initiative is a collective effort guided by the input of our team members.
This approach represents a significant departure from the past, where a singular person dictated the organization’s direction. Instead, we embrace a committee-based model that reflects the evolving nature of the martial arts community. It is a testament to the foresight of our mentors, Shihan Monaco and Hanshi Arneil, who recognized the need for adaptability in a changing world. Through their guidance, we have adopted a collective approach to propel our organization forward into the future.
MAYTT: That is good. I do appreciate the fact that there are multiple people involved in the decision-making process; it is more democratic.
SS: This collaborative approach allows us to rely on each other more effectively. While disagreements may arise at times, the individuals involved in our strategy team and committees share a deep connection to Shihan Monaco and the organization. Some, like myself, may not have been directly trained by him but are still deeply tied to the ethos of the organization.
Each member brings their unique experiences and history, contributing to our collective decision-making process. Importantly, everyone involved prioritizes the best interests of the organization over individual agendas or concerns. This unified focus ensures that our decisions are made with the organization’s well-being in mind.
For me, events like the tournament I recently ran in Atlantic City highlight the beauty of our collective approach. While my students from my dojo are present, so too are dozens of others who may not train with me directly but are still part of our extended karate family. It’s a testament to the sense of unity and camaraderie that permeates our organization, transcending individual affiliations.
MAYTT: Final question; in the next ten to fifteen years, where do you see Kyokushin Karate changing or evolving here in the United States?
SS: In a system deeply rooted in strength and resilience, there’s always space for growth and adaptation. Over my decades of training, I’ve witnessed the evolution of Kyokushin Karate, embracing new realities while preserving its core values. As a member of the strategy team, I draw on my background in music and promotion to contribute to our mission of expanding Kyokushin’s reach and impact.
The essence of Kyokushin lies not just in physical training, but in the profound sense of community and personal growth it fosters. This mission transcends time and circumstance, resonating with practitioners of all ages and backgrounds. My goal is to perpetuate this legacy, ensuring that future generations experience the same transformative power of Kyokushin that I have.
While we must adapt to modern realities, the fundamental principles of Kyokushin remain unchanged. Our organization seeks to maintain an open and inclusive ethos, welcoming practitioners from all walks of life to train, share, and grow together. This commitment to openness and unity is what sets us apart and drives our continued growth and success.
Looking ahead, I envision a future where Kyokushin continues to thrive on a global scale, with tournaments and events attracting participants from around the world. My aspiration is to see the USA host a World Tournament, symbolizing our growing prominence and influence within the Kyokushin community. Through collective effort and dedication, we can ensure that the spirit of Kyokushin perseveres, inspiring generations to come.
MAYTT: It is great that you are trying to keep an openness and an inclusiveness within the organization. It is very refreshing to hear that.
SS: Transitioning from the World of Oyama Karate to the diverse landscape of martial arts in the early 1990s was a profound experience for me. Immersing myself in a community of law enforcement, military personnel, and practitioners from various disciplines, I quickly realized the vast spectrum of martial arts beyond what I had known. This exposure humbled me and broadened my perspective on what martial arts could encompass.
When I embarked on opening my own school, it was crucial for me to remain true to my roots in Kyokushin karate while embracing the diversity of martial arts. I recognized that Kyokushin was just one facet of a multifaceted discipline, and it was essential to be transparent about this reality. Therefore, my school offers a range of martial arts disciplines, reflecting my commitment to openness and inclusivity.
Joining the IFK was a natural fit for me because it embodies this spirit of openness and exploration while maintaining a strong foundation in Kyokushin Karate. Through my relationship with Shihan Monaco and my connection to Hanshi Arneil, I found a community that values diversity and encourages the exchange of ideas across different martial arts styles.
For me, teaching martial arts goes beyond just imparting techniques; it’s about creating a space where anyone, regardless of their goals or background, can benefit from the practice. Whether a student aspires to become a fighter or seeks martial arts for personal development or therapy, my goal is to provide a welcoming environment where everyone feels empowered to grow and learn.
I believe that the benefits of martial arts should be accessible to all, regardless of their path or aspirations. By maintaining an open-minded approach and staying true to my principles, I aim to create a school that fosters personal growth, community, and inclusivity for everyone who walks through its doors.
MAYTT: Thank you for this productive conversation, Schenker Shihan!
SS: Thank you for having me.
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